{"id":5672,"date":"2017-06-21T09:52:43","date_gmt":"2017-06-21T07:52:43","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/tepetelegrams.wordpress.com\/?p=5672"},"modified":"2023-02-06T10:25:14","modified_gmt":"2023-02-06T09:25:14","slug":"what-you-get-is-what-you-want-to-see-for-example-goebekli-tepe-on-a-4th-millennium-seal-print-from-susa","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/2017\/06\/21\/what-you-get-is-what-you-want-to-see-for-example-goebekli-tepe-on-a-4th-millennium-seal-print-from-susa\/","title":{"rendered":"What you get is &#8230; what you want to see: For example G\u00f6bekli Tepe on a 4th millennium seal print from Susa."},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Recently, I stumbled upon a blogpost by Graham Hancock [<a href=\"https:\/\/grahamhancock.com\/gobekli-tepe-image-on-sumerian-tablet\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">external link<\/a>]. I was looking for something completely different, i.e. the \u201cfallout\u201d of the rather unfortunate <a href=\"\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/2017\/04\/21\/archaeoastronomy-meteor-showers-mass-extinction-what-does-the-fox-say-and-what-the-crane-the-aurochs\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">meteor theory<\/a> proposed by two researchers from Edinburgh in April. What I found however sent me off in a completely different direction. As it is a prime example how <a href=\"\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/2017\/03\/15\/iconology-and-archaeology-or-whats-in-that-picture\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">false interpretations of images<\/a> arise, and how they could have been prevented right from the start, I thought I should write a few words about that blog post here.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">In his short text, Hancock explains that an independent researcher, while browsing the images in the online database of the \u2018Cuneiform Digital Library\u2019 [<a href=\"http:\/\/cdli.ucla.edu\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">external link<\/a>], found a depiction of the enclosures of G\u00f6bekli Tepe with their iconic T-shaped pillars. On a seal impression from Susa, dating to the Uruk V period. The settlement phase Uruk V constitutes together with Uruk IV the Late Uruk Period. The details of the absolute chronology of this period, which sees the invention of writing (i.e. proto-cuneiform script starting from Uruk IVa) and the cylinder seal, is still under debate, but a general date between 3500-3100 BC seems to be safe. G\u00f6bekli Tepe is currently <a href=\"\/\/dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/2016\/06\/22\/how-old-ist-it-dating-gobekli-tepe\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">dated between c. 9500-8000 BC<\/a>. So, there is some chronological and regional distance between the sites (Susa lies in nowadays Iran). \u201cNice mystery here\u201d, to cite Hancock. But let\u2019s have a critical look at the evidence, which is always a good idea when doing science.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-5721 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/falsch.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1014\" height=\"657\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/falsch.jpg 1014w, https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/falsch-800x518.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/falsch-768x498.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/falsch-676x438.jpg 676w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1014px) 100vw, 1014px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Hancock\u00b4s post refers to a fragment of a cylinder seal impression, for which the \u2018Cuneiform Digital Library\u2019 database gives a scanned black and white photo and some background information, like the material (clay), the collection (Louvre, Paris) and the primary publication (MDP 43, 676). It is also clear that the image is rotated &#8211; most likely accidentally &#8211; by 180\u00b0 compared to the original publication (the number is upside down). And there they are, the two T-shaped pillars encircled by an oval, shown two times. A perfect abstract depiction of a <a href=\"\/\/dainst.blog\/the-research-project\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">round building<\/a> from G\u00f6bekli Tepe\u00b4s older layer, as it seems. Alright, the pillars inside the perimeter wall are missing. But who cares? It could be an abstracted depiction of something a few millennia older but apparently still very well known.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The seal impression is fragmentary and highly damaged. It is obvious that the original image was more complex. If we turn the image correctly and look a little closer, in front of the left Ts, which now do not resemble Ts anymore, there is an indication of some more depictions that are hard to identify on the b&amp;w photograph. That is why finds were and mostly still are drawn in archaeology, and in any case described extensively. And where to find a drawing and description of the find? In MDP 43 of course.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-5698 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/richtig_falsch.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"2366\" height=\"1651\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/richtig_falsch.jpg 2366w, https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/richtig_falsch-800x558.jpg 800w, https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/richtig_falsch-768x536.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/richtig_falsch-1536x1072.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/richtig_falsch-2048x1429.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/richtig_falsch-676x472.jpg 676w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 2366px) 100vw, 2366px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">I perfectly understand that this is the point at which those with a general interest in archaeology and browsing through an online database might be lost. MDP refers to the series \u201cM\u00e9moires de la D\u00e9l\u00e9gation Arch\u00e9ologique en Iran\u201d. Why the \u201cP\u201d? Because the series was first called \u201cM\u00e9moires de la D\u00e9legation en Perse\u201d and the abbreviation never changed. If we look the find up in volume 43 of this series, written by Pierre Amiet and\u00a0 dealing with \u201cGlyptique Susienne\u201d, the scene is described as \u201ctwo figures sitting on the left, on curved seats, in front of apparatuses made up of two supports with square bases and an elongated oval element\u201d. And the drawing of the sealing shows just that. The persons are touching this \u201coval element\u201d with their hands. The publication has some more depictions of this kind on sealings, and at least some, such as MDP 43, nr. 673 or 674 are less fragmentary. It becomes immediately clear that we are not dealing with a depiction of T-shaped pillars, but of two supports with square feet at the bottom and a knob at the top, connected by an oval.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">The depictions of people interacting with this \u201capparatus\u201d are part of a group of sealings that shows people at work, and some of the images with the supports strongly hint in the direction of weaving (esp. nr. 673), the \u201coval\u201d most probably being the depiction of a thread.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-5701 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/weben.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1710\" height=\"1779\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/weben.jpg 1710w, https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/weben-769x800.jpg 769w, https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/weben-768x799.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/weben-1476x1536.jpg 1476w, https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/8\/2017\/05\/weben-676x703.jpg 676w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1710px) 100vw, 1710px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">So, absolutely no \u201cnice mystery here\u201d. Just a misinterpretation of a highly fragmentary depiction. While dealing with prehistoric imagery things like that can happen quickly. Because the human brain interprets things in relation to former experiences and knowledge. In the case at hand, I have seen images of G\u00f6bekli Tepe\u00b4s round to oval enclosures with their iconic pair of monumental T-shaped pillars. Then I see two T-shapes on a scan of a b&amp;w image of a highly-weathered fragment of a clay seal impression. And immediately make a connection between the two. Science starts when I challenge that superficial connection in the way described above with some simple questions that work not only in the case at hand:<\/p>\n<ol style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<li>General chronological and cultural-historic reasoning: What is the cultural background of the artefact I am looking at and how old is it? How likely might it be that the people making it depict an object or a site millennia older and not something well-known to them?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol style=\"text-align: justify\" start=\"2\">\n<li>Iconographical reasoning: How was the way of depicting things in that particular period, may the shape I am looking at fit the way of representing certain devices \/ objects \/ things? What else might be depicted that perfectly fits the cultural background \/ everyday activities of the people making the artefact?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol style=\"text-align: justify\" start=\"3\">\n<li>Challenging the evidence \/ its documentation: Is the depiction fragmentary or hard to evaluate for other reasons? What kind of documentation is available to me? Does it allow me to fully comprehend what is depicted? Or do I need further information before I can make up my mind?<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<ol style=\"text-align: justify\" start=\"4\">\n<li style=\"text-align: justify\">Go to the sources. Archaeological artefacts, or artefacts similar to the one at hand are usually published somewhere, and these publications may hold further information and better images. It may be tricky to identify the available sources.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"text-align: center\"><strong>So, finally: Why not ask an archaeologist, some of us are nice people willing to help!<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><strong>References<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Pierre Amiet, Glyptique Susienne. Des origins \u00e0 l\u00b4 \u00e9poque des Perses Ach\u00e9m\u00e9nides. Cachets, sceaux-cylindres et empreintes antiques d\u00e9couverts \u00e0 Suse de 1913 \u00e0 1967. M\u00e9moires de la D\u00e9l\u00e9gation Arch\u00e9ologique en Iran XLIII (Paris 1972).<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Recently, I stumbled upon a blogpost by Graham Hancock [external link]. I was looking for something completely different, i.e. the \u201cfallout\u201d of the rather unfortunate meteor theory proposed by two researchers from Edinburgh in April. What I found however sent me off in a completely different direction. As it is a prime example how false [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":6,"featured_media":5698,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[],"tags":[1260267,69608,686,47930,3119966],"class_list":["post-5672","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","tag-gobeklitepe","tag-iconography","tag-image","tag-interpretation","tag-pseudoarchaeology","post-preview"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5672"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/6"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=5672"}],"version-history":[{"count":27,"href":"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5672\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":7333,"href":"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/5672\/revisions\/7333"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/5698"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=5672"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=5672"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.dainst.blog\/the-tepe-telegrams\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=5672"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}